Which Sabbath Do You Intend To Join?

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You’re welcome. I suppose hell to one person can be heaven for another ; p. I’m not big fan of strict code of conduct… and prefer to keep as much freedom as possible.

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Everyone has there own opinion and that’s why the game mirring reality is what gives it the supernatural feel as well as the obvious and spectacular vampiric theme in a gothic style.

"The moon is my sun,
the night is my day,
Blood is my life,
and you are my prey."

"Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night"

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this is how I see these factions… from eve online 

Cruor = Caldari

Domini = Gallente

Orthodox = Amarr

Hort = Minmatar

i’ll be joining caldari, i mean cruor.

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@bloodengel Such comparisons could be found in other games or elsewhere too, but it is not very healthy. Besides you could stay in the genre and view these factions from WoD perspective. I’m sure you would see similarities in some clans there combined here. But does it matter? If you’ve ever heard of archetypes then you will see behind the logic of this and all the current Sabaths in Dogma follow that. It is very much the same with fantasy games. Sword, magic and arrow. Strength, intelligence and agility. All classes derive from that in various ways and combinations and you meet them regardless of title.

 

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yes but WoD mmo was being developed by CCP (makers of eve online) and this game is trying to copy it, by using the same factions. i am fully aware what archetypes are but i mean… eve only has 4 as well, the ones i listed.

i’m not really bothered since i like eve, however i hope they do not make cruor and orthodox allies and the other two allies like they did in eve, all four should be separated.

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It doesn’t copy anything. World of Darkness MMO was based on old WoD where there were only two factions: Camarilla and Sabbat, while new WoD describe five totally different groups: Ordo Dracul (sect worshipping Dracula), Lancea Sanctum(sort of church), Invictus (similar to Camarilla), Circle of the Crone (pagans) and <i>The Carthian Movement (</i>freedom fighter),

While in Dogma we have: CRUOR Corp (typical company – such organisation never existed in WoD),  Orthodox Theocracy (at first look similar to Lancea Sanctum but has wholly different meaning), Hort Packs (again new idea) and Domini (which represent most human face of vampirism).

Not to mention Eve actually has six, not four, blocks composed of several smaller organisations and governments. Among them only two (Amarr and Caldari) might be considered similar (only a little bit), while rest have generally nothing to do with Dogma.

 

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I can see the similarities between WoD and Dogma, but I wouldn’t call it a copy. Sure, the Aristocracy has big Toreador/Ventrue feels to them, sure the CRUOR has Ventrue/Tremere aesthetics in some places, but you can do that with pretty much anything you’re a fan of. I can make comparisons between CRUOR and Shadowrun if I really wanted to; that at worst makes the general concept of CRUOR a cliché, but not a copy.

On the other hand I also don’t think it’s right to deny that there probably is inspiration drawn from sources like WoD. Hort Packs aren’t inspired at all by the Sabbat and Nosferatu? I’m not sure I buy that.
(Also Ordo Dracul is more of a research Sect supposedly founded by Dracula)

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Sure, there are similarities but remember that WoD itself is simply compilation of knowledge form different sources. Toreadors, Daevas, Domini, Lamia from Warhammer and many, many others are based on Anna Rice’s Vampires. In fact her ideas from “Chronicles” are mostly based on folklore too, however I have decided to mention her because she simply rewrote it and made new quality.

All factions/clans/groups – whatever you decide to call them – always will be simply different cliches, they have to be – representing different ways of portraying Vampires in modern culture and European folklore. Authors can’t escape it.  And so we get Domini – human-like vampires focused on culture and education for those who prefer peaceful and social gameplay, Hort Packs which is exactly opposite, more aggressive and ambitious CRUOR and Orthodox for players interested in secrecy and strict code of conduct. Not to mention independence for interested in their own ways and archetypes making it even more complex.

In fact yesterday I read Daeva Clanbook from new WoD and… well it was better designed, prettier with several good ideas and interesting stories but I don’t feel it. I have read over 100 pages and still have no idea what Daeva exactly is. In the case of game I will probably play it like Toreador – which was simply deeper.
New ideas for faction/clan sounds amazing but only in theory, in practice cliches, templates based on what we already know make gameplay easier, more interesting and offers much more options.

 

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I disagree with the notion that innovation is not practical; it’s not like we can’t learn the new stuff and go out of our comfort zones. On the other hand, I don’t demand raw originality everywhere I go either, I realize how unrealistic an expectation that’d be, nevermind hypocritical as I can’t for the life of me make original stuff. Overall I’m personally content with the material we have to work with in the Dogma factions.

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I intend to join Cruor corps.mHowever speaking to the previous conversation Dogma is quite orginal and it’s impossible to escape cliches because Dogma is supposed to be a dark mirror of our modern society. 

"The moon is my sun,
the night is my day,
Blood is my life,
and you are my prey."

"Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night"

"

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At the moment, out of 121 votes we have a vast majority of vampires who want to walk the night indipendent from sabbaths, the second place belongs to the Aristocracy of Domini, third is the Orthodox Theocracy, then comes the Cruor Corps, while the least of sabbath are the Hort Packs, finally we have a residual number (less than the Hort Packs) who prefer to stay human (for the moment)…

Just to keep the discussion on numbers

Every knoledge has its price

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If we have a couple  thousand  online I really like the spread of the numbers.

"The moon is my sun,
the night is my day,
Blood is my life,
and you are my prey."

"Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night"

"

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The Rich Kids, The Corporatives, the Espanish Inquisition and the Badasses…

Easy to choose xD

“Finally there is nothing here for death to take away.” ― Charles Bukowski, What Matters Most is How Well You Walk Through the Fire

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I like that factions ie. Sabbaths, do not tie you into archetypes, but also will add flavour and influence characters.   Right now I’d love to know more about archetypes and their choices. 

 

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I’m a bureaucrat IRL, so I know how the importance of structure, whether corporate or governmental.

Let’s see what a CRUOR Corp future holds.

I already read it.

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“Power is power” 

"The moon is my sun,
the night is my day,
Blood is my life,
and you are my prey."

"Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night"

"

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The Aristocracy of Domini

I played a Giovanni for well so long I thought Domini would be familiar, and different enough to challenge me. The Giovanni are about as disgusting and immoral as you can get with a Vampire. I really enjoyed being able to pretty do anything with in the clan and as long as the Giovanni benefited in the end it was accepted. I think the Domini’s sense a morality tickles me a little, I figure it will be interesting in the very least.

She wears the guise of a woman, but I never thought of her as one, or even as a vampire, for that matter. She is Queen and castle both; Her dominion - the river Styx, the untold dead she's drowned in it - Her subjects

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The Orthodox Theocracy.

For me, it sounds like half Lasombras half Toréador, my two favorite clans. 

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The Orthodox Theocracy.

 

For me, it sounds like half Lasombras half Toréador, my two favorite clans.

With a little sounds of Tremere too

 

 

"Carpe Diem"

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CRUOR Corp for sure!

Oscar Cool more like Oscar Uncool

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Torn between Aristocracy (what I voted) and Hort Packs (probably closer to what I want). If someone offers me a pack that’s up my alley, I’ll take it, but I’m not into rping a lone wolf. Aristocracy is nice, but I kind of like a mix of classy and classless… so we’ll see what I can get away with

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I personally am a believer of HFY. Let none forget the strength of man- for even when the candle is darkest- all shall fear.