The Lore – Ideas, Theories and Story detail discussion

[mortal Offline]

Here’s an idea – Wraths Illness (Straining)  When a neonates essence becomes extremely low they can sometimes “pick up a bug” called wraths illness but can be referred to as ‘straining’. When this neonate is straining they become violent and rabid often ending up consuming flesh as well as blood.   

• This reply was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by  sweetvitae. Reason: typo

I see hell in your eyes..

[mortal Offline]

Why don’t you name the “Addicted” Humans “Ghouls”?

And what do you think about an choosable Game-start/-play like this?
…
You start as a Human…
If you want to stay as a “Human” to become a “Undead-Hunter”: 
You must fight & survive against “Vampires” or “Werewolfs” if you won’t die or end as prey.

If you want to reborn as a “Vampire” to become a “Vampire Lord”: 
You must fight & survive against “Hunters” or “Werewolfs” if you won’t die or end as prey.

If you want to transform into a “Werewolf” to become a “Werwolf King”: 
You must fight & survive against “Hunters” or “Vampires” if you won’t die or end as prey.

[mortal Offline]

@featherreign

So I get back to your post again. It brought me a couple of ideas. Firstly I repeat the idea of each Sabbath having their own beliefs sounds good ( as I noted in my posts Hort Packs would perhaps hold many theories as it would connect many different types of vampires ), for some it could be an actual fact. We could have multiple origins, given the supernatural nature of the vampires.

The Cruors as I described them in my origins  have always been represented in one way or another in the Kindred history, also as alchemists, researchers and ritualists. Perhaps the actual Cruors started in an alchemist guild in medieval times that commited experiments on captured vampires to own their powers without suffering their curse, but it was a failure and they were all turned in the process. Being exceptional and a bit radical in their pursuit of knowledge they differed from other vampire seekers of the truth who were more traditional in their approach. But due to their origin also less trusted. The guild would be a stable organisation throughout the history, changing names and inner structure and competing with other of its kind until becoming a dominant power in the field, The Cruor Corp we know today.

And so it could be a similar way with the Fountain of Youth and the Domini. Spanish nobility set out to America in pursuit for the fabled Fountain of Youth and one expedition would be actually succesful ( out of other expeditions that had competed with each other – it is a book material I could see myself writing actually ). What they wouldn’t know however that the source of the Fountain is actually a vampire ancient lying in eternal torpor whose blood forever runs in its waters. Not only drinking from the Fountain would bring eternal life and vampiric damnation, but it would be a diablerie of sorts ( drinking blood of a more powerful vampire ), so after repeated consumption a vampire could increase their blood potency. There we have a sort of a holy grail for vampires.

That brought me an idea that why should we limit vampires only in the cities? We could have vampire explorers and adventurers travelling around the globe, visiting exotic locations and unearthing forgotten artifacts ( how do those appear in the game anyway? They had to come from somewhere and some of them could actually be tied to an in game quest ). We could have complex questlines for people who discover them. Need to say those would have to be very rare and secret missions, difficult and rewarding as each case demands. A common vampire wouldn’t just stumble upon an ordinary questgiver who would set him a direct path. These would be gems among other quests. They wouldn’t even have to be quests, just a collection of information scattered in the game world, pieces of puzzle seemingly meaningless on their own, but together forming a larger picture and directions leading to a discovery. “Fountain of Youth, yeah a nice story.” what if it actually was in the game and could be found? But it would be presented in the game as a mere piece of lore, just a narrative, a reference in a book to make the world interesting. Something you see in other games and you know it’s not actually in the game as an interactive content.

A picture on a wall showing a castle. Just a decoration. But is it? Somewhere someone mentions a castle being a seat of a vampire cult long wiped out, somewhere you find a name of that castle in a reference to something similar, another source will tell you its location. Randomly scattered pieces of puzzle. On their own they are nothing, together they make a story. But that it would not end with just a story, you could actually go find it and explore it and maybe you would get your hands on a collection of the vampire cult living in the castle, hidden in a secret cellar. There could be some valuable things in there and perhaps a piece of clue for another adventure This could be greatly expanded.

A vampire leading a human expedition ( if he is out in the terrain, he needs some walking blood bags ) to reveal ancient mysteries and discover wonders of mystical and cultural importance. Actual adventures for those of that nature. More content for all kind of players. Rich, influential vampires settled in the cities who spent their time scheming and leading the society don’t have time for other things than their politics, but would want to collect such objects for whatever reasons they have. They could even be benefactors to adventurer vampires, supporting those expeditions financially. They mysteries in our reality would also be mysteries in the game.  It’s not just about libraries and studying and getting information from your contacts, it is being the one who writes those books, being the one who learnt the information first hand. It is about going out there and getting your hands dirty ( and your fangs covered in blood if necessary ). You will still do a lot of research as well, but you will experience the thrill of an adventurer. That would be some awesome material for those who want to play a Beckett style.

This game could have many aspects that can be expanded in a very intriguing way and one of them is this Vampire Lara Croft, Indiana Jones, National Treasure kind of thing.

[mortal Offline]

Hey all,
I don’t really have the time now to read all replies here, but a couple months ago I wrote this – https://www.iwakuroleplay.com/threads/vampire-setting.123894/

It’s strongly inspired in Vtm, but yet original in what regards origin and open so that new blood lines can be created.

If anyone is actually interested in what I wrote there please send me a PM since that is a WIP I have more material to share

To die is not an option.

[moderator Offline]

The below is some of the glyphs used by Dogma’s vampires. How do you feel about their usage as a secret form of communication?

It will certainly allow some of the artists some fun by leaving random messages on buildings and such.

[community manager Offline]

Hades wrote:

Hey all, I don’t really have the time now to read all replies here, but a couple months ago I wrote this – https://www.iwakuroleplay.com/threads/vampire-setting.123894/ It’s strongly inspired in Vtm, but yet original in what regards origin and open so that new blood lines can be created. If anyone is actually interested in what I wrote there please send me a PM since that is a WIP I have more material to share

 

 

Interesting read.

"We will be relentless in our pursuit for perfection. We won't ever be perfect - but in the process we will achieve greatness." - Vince Lombardi

[mortal Offline]

Here’s an idea…ever hear of Lilith?

P.S. I love lore, and when your game is out I will be reading all about it’s lore.

[mortal Offline]

I decided to write a short ‘story’ that maybe you could add to the game? IDC if you do or don’t, but it may give you an idea:  

True Vampirism

by Anonymous

    You have most likely heard stories of monstrous bloodsuckers.  Creatures lurking in the night hunting us like common animals, and farming some us like cattle.  We know those are just stories told to our children to get them to behave, but let’s assume that those stories are not so fictional as we assume.  What if there is an entire society of those very creatures, and what if their controlling our very society itself.  How would they have begun?

    Well, some would link them to mythology, and other stories of legend.  Many would look back to the story of Cain, the mythical brother killer of old, who slew his brother out of envy and cursed by God himself.  However, what if Cain’s blight was not the same as the blight we are speaking of now?  What if it was Abel who was ‘blessed’ by God out of sadness, but it eventually became a blight?  What if it was the serpent that gave man the blight? Maybe even Adam?

    What if the fountain of youth itself was a pool of infection? What if it was filled with a blight, and maybe it was found years ago but never recorded.  Maybe a cult of alchemist accidentally created the blight in a failed experiment? Who are they now? What if there are multiple sources of the blight?

    Maybe it is a disease, triggered by death and spread by blood.  Maybe your infected right now, and don’t know it yet.  Can you imagine? A blood born pathogen so ancient it may even be in our very genes.

    Maybe those monsters wrote a book.  What if they wrote a book to lead their prey astray? What if they crafted a novel of secrets to fool even the smartest lamb.  What if this is that very book? You and I know that it is not, but what about them? Do they know that this book is a joke? I think they believe it, and think that I am talking about them.

• This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by  Mad Bro 97.
• This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by  Mad Bro 97.

[mortal Offline]

In Greek mythology there was a substance known as ichor, which was said to be the blood of the gods. What if the first vampire was a mere mortal who had somehow managed to get his hands on this substance. Now it was suppose to be lethal to humans, but this person through dark blood rituals managed to drink it and live, well sort of. It still killed him/her but granted the powers of a god and so he/she lived on. Neither living nor dead forever. Of course there were side effects. The dark ritual shielded the body from decay but only while cloaked in shadow, should you expose yourself to direct sunlight your body would begin to rot, not an issue for a new born as rotting is slow and unnoticeable but after a few years your body has been dead so long that exposure would cause skin to immediately turn to dust. Then there is the fact that a dead body no longer produces new blood cells, causing a terrible need to always be replenishing dead blood with new living blood which of course can only be gained by taking it from the living. Now we should move away from the whole weakness to silver that was just a myth started to prevent farmers from killing wolves. However, cold wrought iron has properties that suppress the flow of energy. Hence the reason old graveyards had wrought iron fences, in legend it kept the powers of the dead from escaping. So perhaps it could be used to shackle those being brought before the prince for judgement. This is of course far from a complete lore but may give ideas for a previously never considered start to the vampire race.

[mortal Offline]

Thank you http://dogma-universe.com/en/kindred/mesalina/

@mesalina 

 

I justwanted to bring up the Egyptian storyline again. With this time table set we have a lot more eras to work with. Also the Egyptians were obsessed with the afterlife what if they found out the secret to immortality? Maybe it goes even further back then the Egyptians and they were just the first to really spread vampirism as a culture.  I don’t know I can’t write fiction but I hope my ideas help. I really think ancient Egypt would be a good starting place because then we could could still include all these other vampires in later years. 

 

Mesalina wrote:

What if… Our origin story has been lost in time. Sparse records go back as early as ancient Egypt but that is where the lead stops. Kindred scholars have been searching for our origin story for millennia but the trail just stopped at one point. Even to this day kindred society is still searching but they have only been met by dead leads and disappointment. The Orthodox Theocracy has their own view on history but no definite proof has ever been brought into the light. (no pun intended) What is known so far? Somewhere around the year 2566 BC (fourth dynasty) around the death of the great Pharaoh Khufu. Khufu was obsessed with resurrection and eternal life that he had searched the known world for a sorcerer that could help him attain his dream. Records say he actually found one which he called the “Timeless one” for he supposedly did not age. Around the time the sorcerer was at the pharaoh’s court records speak of a period of mourning for many men and women were found dead and drained of all blood. In the end Khufu died and did not attain his desired eternal life and there was no mention about the “Timeless one” anymore. One thing is for sure, the “Timeless one” must have been pretty old by the time he was at Khufu’s court. Fast forward. Millenia passed and history occasionally threw up references of vampiric beings up until the present. The powerful vampires of old are no more. We don’t have antediluvian or whatever the Dogma alternative would be called. We do however have rumors that there might be some very old vampires still in deep torpor somewhere and we also have rumors that one sabbath might actually know where one is, they might be even harboring one, guarding it. Closing words. It’s always awesome to keep a lot of information vague and mysterious. Not every question requires an answer. This way it allows for nearly endless possibilities and expansion, if you have a set origin you’re kinda stuck with it.

"The moon is my sun,
the night is my day,
Blood is my life,
and you are my prey."

"Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night"

"

[mortal Offline]

I feel like they could be used for secret communication, but I see them more as glyphs like the Theives Guild Shadowmarks in skyrim. U could place them around the city or hidden away on posters and adds or artifacts,etc.

"The moon is my sun,
the night is my day,
Blood is my life,
and you are my prey."

"Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night"

"

[mortal Offline]

Hello,

Sorry for bad english, hope it’s still readable…

At that time, they had low technology, only able to travel sub-light speed across the stars. After several generations of traveling, not long after human species start to spread from ancient Africa continent, they visited Earth. They were amazed, the first planet with life forms ! So it was true, they were not alone in the universe.

They set a group of volunteers to stay, a life choice, while they headed back to home. Of course, they would never see home themselves, but the grand children of their grand children, maybe. And by then, home would have much better technology, to come back here and maybe make contact with one of the animals living on Earth.

They went back. Home was no more. Their people didn’t manage to pass « the singularity » and they destroyed themselves. Only an almost barren planet, and it was waiting for life to start again. Out of technology, out of hope, the descendants of the star travelers ended their journey while the ship collapsed under obsolescence.

Back on Earth, the grand children of the grand children of the star travelers were now a little tribe, hidden from the creatures running on Earth. The yellow sun was painfull for them, as their were used to a deep purple cold dual sun from their system, but they managed to stay under the deep forest, where they adapted to drink tree’s water and eat roots. They tried several times to make contact with the running apes of the planet, but without success. To ùuch differences, and ape’s language was too primitive.

Time, ages, passed, and the little tribe grown up to reach almost the thousand. Generations later, the sun became only more harmful to them, and they now had to live completly hidden from it, only going out at night time, or with deep clouds. The memory of their home was long forgotten, and their mind was going toward the local fauna, more like animals, less like star travelers.

As animals, they had to hunt for food. Roots were not enough anymore, as some of them tasted the meat of the running apes. And the running apes sometimes managed to defend themselves and to kill back.

It happened one day at dawn.

One of them attaked a running ape, and more apes came to rescue. He fought well, thanks to his superior speed and strenght, but at the end, the last running ape, badly hurt but alive, killed him. The star traveler, blood and meat and bones, became the food. And the food was delicious, and the blood was healing the cuts. The running ape wanted more.

More blood.

[mortal Offline]

Your English was fine. Don’t worry about it. 

Very interesting idea though. That vampires evolved and there ancestors are originally from another planet. However I see how it would explain speed and strength. But not magical power or supernatural speeds or strength. 

Then again superman was from another planet and mercilessly has super strength and speed. 

 

 

"The moon is my sun,
the night is my day,
Blood is my life,
and you are my prey."

"Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night"

"

[mortal Offline]

Anubis wrote:

Thank you http://dogma-universe.com/en/kindred/mesalina/ @mesalina

You’re welcome

• This reply was modified 10 months ago by  Mesalina.

I'm going out to get a bite to drink.

[mortal Offline]

UrbanMagi wrote:

Mother Lilith, guardian of the tree of knowledge was the first of the vampires…

I enjoyed reading your mythology, and think you’re definitely on the right track with these ideas.  One of the next steps on from this would be for the Sabbaths to have created customs based on their respective (and somewhat opposed) interpretations.

Mesalina wrote:

It’s always awesome to keep a lot of information vague and mysterious.

I agree with this sentiment too.  Discovering tidbits or even rumours about the origin of Vampires during gameplay would be cool.  Hell, I may even spread some of those rumours myself!

[mortal Offline]

Inherited Sin wrote:

 

UrbanMagi wrote:

Mother Lilith, guardian of the tree of knowledge was the first of the vampires…

I enjoyed reading your mythology, and think you’re definitely on the right track with these ideas. One of the next steps on from this would be for the Sabbaths to have created customs based on their respective (and somewhat opposed) interpretations.

Mesalina wrote:

It’s always awesome to keep a lot of information vague and mysterious.

I agree with this sentiment too. Discovering tidbits or even rumours about the origin of Vampires during gameplay would be cool. Hell, I may even spread some of those rumours myself!

 

I hope some of this lore is used. But what matters to me is that we have a Very large timeline to work with and that it is unique to Dogma.

"The moon is my sun,
the night is my day,
Blood is my life,
and you are my prey."

"Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night"

"

[mortal Offline]

Well heres what I think would make good with the lore

In the beginning after God Banished Adam and Eve from the garden. Years later their descendants  Cain and Abel  the archangel was speaking to Cain convinced him to murder his brother. He did so, and God Banished Lucifer by undoing the Death of Abel, and cursed Cain with the mark which turned him into the first Werewolf. Abel rose and became the First Vampire. God Banished Lucifer to hell and made a seal so long as vampires exist Lucifer can’t escape his Prison. Lucifer cursed the vampires by making them fear and burn in the sun since he was the morning star he had that power. But that was all he could do and he waits for the day of release. His minions the demons and the Satanists seek to destroy the vampires in order to free their master

Werewolves worship Cain and Lucifer and are cursed to transform during the fullmoon they are weak to silver and it will burn them in human or werewolf form. They have such extreme bloodlust and can’t control themselves when a full moon is out but they can control and shift at will on other nights.

Witches make deals with Demons, angels, Pagan gods in exchange for power and act as medium to keep the vampires and werewolves in check.

Vampires worship Abel and God, believing werewolves to be abominations and seek the eradicate them they are weak to sunlight, will be paralyzed when staked and are also weak and burn anywhere their is a symbol to the Morningstar. Satanists Seek to eradicate them to free Lucifer and work with Hunters to achieve this goal. 

The Hunters seek to destory every vampire/werewolf/witch that exists because they believe them to be evil and abominations to God. They unknowingly work for Demons who seek to eradicate all vampires.

Demons, Possess humans and depending on the demon harm, make deals, make cults, destory and desecrate and do whatever evil things to appease their master Lucifer. They are weak to Holy Symbels, they can’t go on holy ground. They are weak to silver and can be killed by angelic weapons. But they can also be killed by priests blessed by God. 

[mortal Offline]

Olympianvampirelord wrote:

Well heres what I think would make good with the lore In the beginning after God Banished Adam and Eve from the garden. Years later their descendants Cain and Abel the archangel was speaking to Cain convinced him to murder his brother. He did so, and God Banished Lucifer by undoing the Death of Abel, and cursed Cain with the mark which turned him into the first Werewolf. Abel rose and became the First Vampire. God Banished Lucifer to hell and made a seal so long as vampires exist Lucifer can’t escape his Prison. Lucifer cursed the vampires by making them fear and burn in the sun since he was the morning star he had that power. But that was all he could do and he waits for the day of release. His minions the demons and the Satanists seek to destroy the vampires in order to free their master Werewolves worship Cain and Lucifer and are cursed to transform during the fullmoon they are weak to silver and it will burn them in human or werewolf form. They have such extreme bloodlust and can’t control themselves when a full moon is out but they can control and shift at will on other nights. Witches make deals with Demons, angels, Pagan gods in exchange for power and act as medium to keep the vampires and werewolves in check. Vampires worship Abel and God, believing werewolves to be abominations and seek the eradicate them they are weak to sunlight, will be paralyzed when staked and are also weak and burn anywhere their is a symbol to the Morningstar. Satanists Seek to eradicate them to free Lucifer and work with Hunters to achieve this goal. The Hunters seek to destory every vampire/werewolf/witch that exists because they believe them to be evil and abominations to God. They unknowingly work for Demons who seek to eradicate all vampires. Demons, Possess humans and depending on the demon harm, make deals, make cults, destory and desecrate and do whatever evil things to appease their master Lucifer. They are weak to Holy Symbels, they can’t go on holy ground. They are weak to silver and can be killed by angelic weapons. But they can also be killed by priests blessed by God.

 

This is a solid idea, but I feel like it’s already been done by other mmo’s and World of Darkness kindred are based off of Cain (Kain).I think Dogma needs  to create its own lore one that goes further back in history. 

"The moon is my sun,
the night is my day,
Blood is my life,
and you are my prey."

"Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night"

"

[mortal Offline]

Anubis… the problem is that almost all ideas have been developed…

I’ve read in the posts above about Lilith… she’s also in  the WoD’s mith as the sorceress who seduced Kain as he was banned in Nod.

Speaking of Kain recalls directly the WoD, speaking of Dracula calls in dear Bram Stoker.

There’s miriad of vampire miths that have been variously developed…

 

Honestly to be in a way original, I thnk we could link a theory to Chtulu in wich vampires are simbiotic beeings composed of a human body and a unearthly host that inhabits it

Every knoledge has its price

[mortal Offline]

I find this to be an interesting backstory for vampires being based of greek mytholgly

[mortal Offline]

I´ve  read what we have above and there are some interesting point of views altogether . But in first place – and in my opinion : it is important to keep the lore a bit open or …  not too static , to say the least . I even have some good explanation or reason for why this should be handled exactly so . When you deal with the question what the content or the lore should be all about , you need some certain boundaries , but these will only work good if they implement the option of bringing new stuff in there , which should fit in easy and plausible at the same time . So this is where I see things get a  little bit too limited – when it comes to stating the whole meaning and claiming the whole order depends on this and that , since so and so etc .  I must say that I really like the idea of Lilith to be an elder or ancient ( even when not calling her the first , for  very simple purpose ) . I had that funny moment when thinking of her as some sort of very ancient vampire queen , but more the kind of smart guy which is honestly bored by being watched or admired as the leader ,  guide or what not . In my imagination it would probably seem alike , that she sometimes somehow interferes – but rarely  seems to be content with  doing so . In fact , it even more comes that way – she really enjoys to be off the whole story , enjoying her leisure time and her other plans , in case she is about to have any . Lilith might be some sort of very modern and fancy vampire , wise , being able to blur the lines between what she really is and what she seems like . I could think of her as an old matriarch , a very old person much like a grandma , only responding after finding a way of sorting the words in some sort of ( seemingly ! lol !) disgusted way (for this is  her favourite role whenever bored, ha ha  ) . Or just as well she might be appearing somewhere in a night club or maybe a little house on a far away shore , right about to be  in the mood spending some time shaped as a young writer , aged 25+ . Criticizing Cruor corps congress man , whatsoever , meanwhile waving the i phone in her left hand –  this could be Lilith . Does she look old , grey , does she rather act cheeky ? It ´s not important .    Yet this is where I ´d like to come up with my ” best version ” of a lore and how it could make sense and why . ” A little truth lies in all of it ” , mostly describes it best I ´d say . Having the Aristocracy of Domini claiming that the true reason for why we are vampires … bla bla bla , seems like a rather horrifying testimonial – if this was simply it ( asides , me I really wanted to chose this coven just if it  makes things a little understandable , haha ) . To make the attempt of a biblical setting seems to be legit , and also could a Lore base upon egytian myth or what not , but in my opinion this should still be some sort of story telling quality , only a part of a puzzle – I think we should build on one superior theory or circumstance which would kind of lie within nature itself .  Some of you surely remember that joke which was made on television , telling us a story about a tuna , right ? Well . This is where we could start with our explanation of the ” supernatural ” in our Lore . What if you could ask a tuna about the existence of the shortfin mako shark ? Maybe the tuna  he ´d reply :  Don ´t know , are there any ?  It would work out really well I guess , if we ´d say that there has always been some sort of hidden realm , speaking of unknown evolution , which comes up with some sort of subtle predatory setting – think whatever you like here – and this is what the tuna won ´t need to know . There are ghosts – right behind you !  A lore could be doable where the supernatural not only exists , but also has certain purpose to relie on ( and otherwise : it doesn ´t have to be this way at all  ) . Without giving a very deep insight to such matter , it s anticipated that vampires exist for the same reason werewolves do exist , and witches and what not – and mostly this explanation would also fit for that cat you find sitting on your sofa , or that silly dumb chair beside the desk in the classroom . Where would such a lore be giving us some sort of advantage ? Let ´s take the idea of the vampire covens , which is quite authentic , but probably only brilliant if it can be put into some sort of interesting dynamic . For example – it could not be that much fun to play some sort of script , cycling about the true purpose of vampire society , like where do we come from , who holds the power and how can we keep up the dogma and all of that ? This would surely make a safe landing and a few good aspects for sure , but then it otherwisely seems to much of a jail where everyone knows which way to go . So having a look at the vampire covens – we got some ventrue like coven , we got the Hort Pack , we have some straight lines and they seem to fit the task . What comes from outside ? Accepting that vampires exist since a very long time brings us close to the conclusion that there cannot only be straight boundaries – which only fits in very well , too . Thinking of which way to go I could invision some sort of 1st plot , 2nd plot , 3rd plot dynamic . 1st would be like -> Order , relationships between the covens , nightlife , humanity , discovery , achievement of knowledge , establishing a classical lore , mostly this . 2nd would be like -> Expansion , antagonists , adding more diversity to it all . I really think this is where it all could blend together in an awesome way . Think of Blade 2 for example . In this second movie we get to see some sort of new vampire , which is bad news to the established vampires for he is about to set a new drift to the food agenda , let ´s say . Could fit in very fine here – think of some sort of unknown coven which is about to take care of business , like … giving a damn **** about the dogma ( in a few sceneries at least ) . Or : Think of a supernatural threat , a witch , coming up with a bunch of bad ass abilities –  how about controlling humans , media and it ´s technlologie , while in the end being confronted at the end of the main content , some sort of bad ass witch , casting a  many spells , ready to take out whole parts of the city . Who knows … 3rd , and this is just a vague description or simply one road possible -> content / Lore could be some sort of rewarding step , some sort of having reached the great crossraod where the small shit is over – no more kidding right here , giving you some last noteworthy choices , which could turn out to be  a.) you decide to strengthen the balance between the covens , which means you mainly chose to be a defender , only true to the ideals of the established vampire society , b.) you chose to follow those who have other plans with what to do tonight , which means you would rather ally with the enemy ´s  coven , c.) you chose to worship the witch , which means you become some sort of outsider who ´s only intention is to bring chaos to mankind and anyone who dares to cross , let ´s say , some rather thin line . Yet you could think of d. and e.  , being  a adventurer , someone interested in wolves , haunted houses , old ruins of the greek – or simply someone who is very interested in –  someway somehow – surviving the next night for there is shit going on !   (Nyeah ,  I ´d like to sound like Damsel right here ! )   Well , who knows  –  these are my thoughts on the topic and I hope that this was helpful in a way , concerning matters of how lore could be stable , interesting , a plenty of fun  and something that makes you wanna dive  .                     greets  

 

 

a special thumb up to”  Tchey  “,  which has written a  super epic beauty of an introduction , simply something you can not expect and it really ! works .  Hammer – geil !

 

 

• This reply was modified 9 months, 2 weeks ago by  Isis.
• This reply was modified 9 months, 2 weeks ago by  Isis.
• This reply was modified 9 months, 2 weeks ago by  Isis.
• This reply was modified 9 months, 2 weeks ago by  Isis.
• This reply was modified 9 months, 2 weeks ago by  Isis.
• This reply was modified 9 months, 2 weeks ago by  Isis.
• This reply was modified 9 months, 2 weeks ago by  Isis.
• This reply was modified 9 months, 2 weeks ago by  Isis.

[mortal Offline]

Indeed, the theories of the origin can be tousends… have we the need to have a main theory known by all?

Even thinking about one Gangrel individualist researcher that we all met in Bloodlines and we all have read the copy of the Book of Nod he commented… he ask “What do you think we are?”

Every knoledge has its price

[mortal Offline]

Right after having read a few words I thought to myself – oh no thanks , I see where it comes from here . But then – very brilliant ! Calm with a certain use of beautiful and somehow very well dosed imagery . Surely a very dark , a very fitting introduction . *applaud* like it very very much

 

[mortal Offline]

Let me guess – Beckett . 

[mortal Offline]

hehehe of course… in the Final Nights I played a Setite and the dialogues with Becket were very interesting… of course he remembered his same advice… “Setites shouldn’t ever read this book” hahaha

Every knoledge has its price